The Book of Revelation is the unveiling mystery of the End Times by our Lord Jesus Christ.It's my earnest desire to present this apologetic studies on "Apocalypse"so much so that even a simple and plain laymen christian can easily understand without so much theological idioms or jargon added.I'm also presenting my reflection on End-Time (Eschatology),Bible Prophecy and the ministry of the Holy Spirit.I also will be posting much needed inspired teaching from many portion of the OT/NT scriptures for the saint to feed upon.Remember,Christ said :"Man cannot live on bread alone,but on every word of God that proceeded from the mouth of God".

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Friday, February 26, 2010

"SELAH"-GEMS OF DR.JOH

Hebrew 12:1-2 “Let us lay aside every weigh and the sin which so easily ensnares us and let us RUN with endurance the race that is set before us, looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith”

When you are running in your Christian faith, do it like the marathon runner way and not like a sprinter runner way. Because Christianity is a way of life.full of dedication and long term commitment and you can’t be a winner in short period of time. Look at Jesus, He finished the race doing Father’s will in absolute obedient, walking on foot,yet spiritually He is running in obsolute momentum.He didn’t rush or was too slow. He kept His pace. How to RUN SPIRITUALLY? Pray, read,study God’s word, witness and give like never before. Otherwise God’s anointing will run by/pass you if we are just ‘walking spiritually. God said ”RUN!”

Tuesday, February 23, 2010

RAPTURE DOCTRINAL DEBATE

(There have been a lot of Doctrinal debates regarding the subject on the End Time and the Book of Revelation.One of my blog reader commented that I should "google"subjects such as the "rapture"debate.Debates came about on issue like "Timing of the rapture"occurance and wether there is such a rapture event.Many have attack Pre-Tribulationist viewers on this rapture issue.One of such person is Dave MacPherson,the author of the "rapture Plot".After going through few of his writtings (Pre-Trib rapture,Die hard,x-raying Margaret,Pre-Trib Rapture Dishonesty).I was drawn to a wonderful firm statement by Frank Marotta on Dave's book.I have the privilege to share with all my blog readers and followers of Frank's counter statement to Dave MacPherson's belief.God bless you (Dr.J.Loudin,Apostolic Minister-LAMB Ministries Network)

Dave MacPherson's the Rapture Plot:weighted and found wanting

By Frank Marotta

Since the early 1970's, Dave MacPherson has aggressively attacked the pretribulation rapture by attributing its origin to Margaret Macdonald, whom MacPherson considers to be occult influenced. He claims J.N. Darby derived the pretribulation rapture from her and this was done secretly, lest the true origin of the rapture be discovered. MacPherson develops this idea in his books The Incredible Cover-Up and The Great Rapture Hoax. It has been successfully demolished in works by R. A. Huebner, Thomas Ice, and Gerald Stanton,1 to name a few.

MacPherson's Seventh Version

MacPherson's latest book is The Rapture Plot. It claims to reveal ". . . the most astounding historical revisionism of the past century" (p. 138). The plot is that brethren scholar William Kelly used his periodical The Bible Treasury to conceal that J.N. Darby took the pretribulation rapture from the Irvingites. This was accomplished by alleged misrepresentations of Irvingite prophetic views in Kelly's 1889-1890 articles on the Catholic Apostolic Church. In these same articles Kelly is alleged to have created a smoke screen by emphasizing Irvingite heterodoxy. Then in 1903 (13 years later), having discredited the Irvingites, Kelly was able to credit Mr. Darby with pretribulationism in his article, "The Rapture of the Saints, Who Suggested It, or rather on what Scripture?" This "plot" is considerably more dull than his Margaret Macdonald material and is equally lacking in any substance. That an orthodox Christian such as William Kelly should write articles exposing a contemporary heterodox sect should surprise us no more than a Christian periodical of today printing articles exposing Mormonism. Nor is it shocking that an ardent pretribulationist as Kelly would defend the history and doctrine of the rapture. We fail to see any plot at all.

In our research on Catholic Apostolic and Irvingite works, we have never found a claim that anyone outside their group "stole" their doctrines. Consider the Catholic Apostolic apologist William Bramley-Moore, a contemporary of William Kelly. In his work The Church's Forgotten Hope, (a significant work never discussed by MacPherson) Bramley-Moore skips over Margaret Macdonald and credits John Asgill in 1703 as ". . . the only individual who, since the Reformation [until 1830] had given a clarion testimony" to the hope of translation (p. 251)! We will not manufacture a "plot" or "cover-up" regarding the failure of MacPherson and others to credit Asgill. (Asgill taught that individual translation was possible, similar to Enoch or Elijah. His view is distinct from pretribulationism.) More relevant to our discussion, Bramley-Moore never claimed the brethren or anyone else "stole" the Irvingite prophetical views.

Recently, the most extensive critical analysis ever produced on Irvingite doctrine declared that they were still primarily historicist, while Darby and the Brethren had become futurist. Further, Columba G. Flegg notes that the Brethren teaching on the rapture and the present invisible and spiritual nature of the church,

were in sharp contrast to Catholic Apostolic teaching, . . . There were thus very significant differences between the two eschatologies, and attempts to see any direct influence of one upon the other seem unlikely to succeed-they had a number of common roots, but are much more notable for their points of disagreement. Several writers [referring specifically to MacPherson] have attempted to trace Darby's secret rapture theory to a prophetic statement associated with Irving, but their arguments do not stand up to serious criticism.2

Historical Deficiencies

MacPherson professes to be a historian (p. 233). His work is lacking in historical method. Consider his claim that William Kelly, as editor of Darby's Collected Writings, manipulated them. Regarding Darby's Notes on Revelation (1839) MacPherson writes:

We've previously noted that a chart (listing no artist or date) accompanying this work shows the church in heaven no later than Revelation 4 -additional manipulation and further contradiction of Darby's Revelation 12 basis! (p. 152)

I have inspected a xeroxed copy of the 1839 edition of this work published by Central Tract Depot, London. The chart in question is there and shows the church in heaven in Revelation chapter 4! MacPherson's speculation is without foundation. A true historian would inspect the original source materials before making the claims that MacPherson does. He is governed by an agenda, not a desire for unbiased historical research.

Here are a few of the many deficiencies that I found in The Rapture Plot:

1. MacPherson states that the key symbol of the pretribulation rapture for Margaret Macdonald is the catching up of the two witnesses of Revelation 11 (p. 47-49). If this is true, one wonders if MacPherson has ever read Revelation 11. Before the witnesses are caught up (verse 12), the beast makes war with them and kills them (verse 7). Thus the two witnesses go through tribulation before they are killed, raised and caught up. So if Macdonald's teaching is based on this passage, she is certainly posttribulational! Actually, there is no doubt that the woman who said, "The trial of the Church is from Antichrist" was posttribulational.

Morgan Edwards and the Rapture

2. Recently it has come to light that the 18th century Baptist Morgan Edwards held to a pretribulation rapture (see Pre-Trib Perspectives Sept/Oct 1995). If MacPherson were to regard Morgan Edwards as pretribulational, then both his Macdonald "cover-up" and his Kelly "plot" would be for naught. In The Rapture Plot he recklessly labels Edwards a posttribulational historicist. He writes: ". . . it's obvious that Edwards interpreted these 1260 days [of Revelation 11] as years" (p. 266). This is a blatant falsehood. Edwards wrote in his Two Academical Exercises:

When these witnesses will appear is hard to say; for though their time of prophesying in saccloth [sic] is 1260 days or three years and a half (allowing thirty days to a month) yet they may preach out of sackcloth long before; for the 1260 days refer only to the time that the holy city and the outer court of the temple shall be trodden under the foot of the Gentiles (or Antichrist and his army) viz. 42 months, which make exactly 1260 d

ays, allowing 30 to a month (Rev xi.2). . ." (p. 19)

It is clear from the above that Edwards does not believe the two witnesses had appeared yet. The preaching in sackcloth are 1260 literal days; if they were years (clearly they are not from the context) then they had not as yet begun, which is unlike historicism in any form. The "prophesying out of sackcloth" that Edwards speculates the two witnesses will perform is before Revelation 11:2. Edwards is futurist and literal in his consideration of prophetic time in Revelation 12:7-11 (p. 8), Daniel 8:14 (p. 20), Daniel 12:12,13 (p. 21), Revelation 12:14 (p. 23), and Daniel 12:11 (p. 23).

3. MacPherson writes on p. 267 of The Rapture Plot:

Edwards' basis for holding to a rapture three and a half years before the second advent (and a future millennium) may well have been the Revelation 11 witnesses on whom he focused. This chapter has a period of three and a half days (verses 9, 11) that historicism can view as three and a half years. Since the spirits of these dead witnesses conceivably go to be with Christ during the same days, days preceding the final advent-historicist Edwards could see in this symbol a rapture three and a half years before the same advent.

Compare this with Morgan Edwards:

Another event previous to the Millennium will be the appearing of the son of man in the clouds, coming to raise the dead saints and change the living, and to catch them up to himself, and then withdrawing with them, as observed before. This event will come to pass when Antichrist be arrived at Jerusalem in his conquest of the world; and about three years and a half before his killing the witnesses and assumption of godhead. (Edwards, p. 21)

MacPherson's speculation is without foundation; Edwards distinguishes the saints caught up from the two witnesses, both as to time (the saints caught up three years and a half before the witnesses killed) and identity. Edwards identifies the witnesses as Elijah and the Apostle John (Edwards, pp. 17-19); MacPherson fails to inform his readers of this fact. The catching up of the witnesses is after the three and a half days (verse 12), not before. MacPherson also fails to inform his readers of Morgan Edwards linking the rapture to I Peter 4:17, "For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God" (Edwards, p. 7)

4. MacPherson concludes his section on Morgan Edwards by writing:

Edwards' scheme of a rapture three and a half years before the end of a 1260-year tribulation has the same tiny gap a futurist would have if he were to teach a rapture three and a half days before the end of a 1260-day tribulation! Since such a futurist view would be seen as a posttrib view, Edwards (who had the same small percentage) should be classified as a historicist posttrib! p. 268)

There is a footnote attached which states:

Edwards saw a rapture at the extreme end of the tribulation. The mathematics works out as follows: 3.5 years/1260 years = 0.0027 or 0.27% remaining. That means 99.73% of the tribulation was already past before the rapture. Hardly a pretrib rapture! (p. 268)

As already shown, Edwards did not teach anything like a 1260 year tribulation. Nor was he a historicist. Nor was he "posttrib." But let us apply the same mathematics to some of his alleged pretribulationists. First, consider John Hooper, a contributor to The Morning Watch. MacPherson speaks of "Hooper's pretrib rapture" (p. 200). He also writes of Hooper as "a historicist who saw the final advent in about 1868, Hooper had 37 remaining years where he could fit in between Revelation 16 and Revelation 19..." (p. 200). Let us perform a calculation: 37 years/1260 years = 0.0294 or 2.94% remaining. That means at least 97.06% of the tribulation was already past before the rapture (assuming Christ could come immediately). Hardly a pretribulational rapture! Perhaps Dave MacPherson will tell us at what number between 97.06% and 99.73% complete we transition from pretribulational to posttribulational. Or perhaps MacPherson could admit Hooper as posttribulational. Next, let us consider the woman whom MacPherson labels as the first pretribulationist: Margaret Macdonald. He wrote on p. 49 of The Great Rapture Hoax:

Margaret, however, had

been influenced by historicism and the year-day theory involving 1260 years. . . If only one-tenth of 1260 years remained unfulfilled in her view, she could still believe in a future Antichrist; he would have a total of 126 years in which to do his dirty work.

MacPherson is gracious in allowing 126 years remaining in Margaret's mind. Especially since she identified Robert Owen, a contemporary, as the Antichrist (The Rapture Plot, p. 53). But applying the same mathematical formula that would mean 90% of the tribulation was complete for her! Applying the same method MacPherson does to Morgan Edwards would make her "hardly pretrib!"

5. The importance MacPherson places on The Rapture Plot reveals his spiritual condition. He writes on p. 234:

The real test is ahead. If pretrib promoters ignore or twist this book's documentation, and if their only bottom line is a continuing flow of funds, then I won't be surprised if God views them collectively as an "Achan" (Josh. 7) and allows a national or even international money collapse!

This statement is incredible. Ignoring The Rapture Plot leads to an international money collapse! This extreme notion indicates the mentality under which MacPherson operates.

It is significant that MacPherson is the lone "historian" who has argued a connection between Macdonald and Darby. Considering that there have been numerous historical examinations of both the Irvingites and the Brethren, yet MacPherson stands alone in exposing the "plot," is rather a testimony to polemical bias, not the facts. Those anti-pretribulationists who have adopted MacPherson's revision have done so merely on the basis of his word, not as a result of original research.

Conclusion

Dave MacPherson's The Rapture Plot is a defective work which distorts history. There is no plot. It misrepresents godly men such as Darby and Kelly. It fails to prove the Irvingites were pretribulational in the 1830s. It is completely inaccurate concerning Morgan Edwards' teaching. The Rapture Plot has the same character as MacPherson's previous works. Christians who desire to feed their souls on truth would be well advised to avoid his works. W

Endnotes

1R.A. Huebner, The Truth of the Pre-Tribulation Rapture Recovered (Millington, NJ: Present Truth Publishers, 1976). Huebner, Precious Truths Revived and Defended Through J.N. Darby, Vol. 1 (Morganville, NJ: Present Truth Publishers, 1991). Thomas Ice, "Why the Doctrine of the Pretribulational Rapture Did Not Begin with Margaret Macdonald," Bibliotheca Sacra (Vol. 147; April-June 1990), pp. 155-68. Gerald Stanton, Kept From The Hour, 4th. edition, (Miami Springs, FL: Schoettle Publishing, 1991).

2Columba Graham Flegg, 'Gathered Under Apostles' A Study of the Catholic Apostolic Church (Oxford: Clarendon Press, 1992), p. 436.

Monday, February 22, 2010

"SELAH"-PRE-TRIB END TIME LINE

Pre-P-Trib and Pre-Tribulationist interpreters do share a similar and common view when it come to prophetic time line.Herewith I present our Pre-Tribulation Time Line.I believe that our present generation at this year A.D.2010 is within the time line of the "Age of Grace"or Church Age.The next important event will be the imminent return of the Lord which is the First phase of His coming also know as the "Rapture".Then there will be a 7 seven years "Tribulation "period before the "Return of Jesus in His public Glorious appearance"the second phase of His second coming.The "Kingdom Age"is the Millenium earthly Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

Sunday, February 21, 2010

7 YEARS OF TRIBULATION AND THE GREAT TRIBULATION PERIOD

We are living today in what many bible prophecy experts call "The Church Age".Many bible scholars even quotes that we are living in a "borrowed time"because of the soon imminent return of Jesus Christ to rapture His Church.Pre-Partial-Trib,Pre-Trib,Mid-Trib and Post-Tribulationist all agree that there is a certain period of time called the seven years "Tribulation" period prior to the return of Christ to set His literal millennium Kingdom on earth.
It is interesting to note the maxim of Saint Augustine,who said "The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed.The Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed".Therefore,the book of Revelation is the climax fulfilment of all unfulfilled Old Testament prophecy.Even Jesus Himself often quotes many Old Testament prophecies.When come to subject of the End Times prophetic events,the Lord Jesus quote many bible prophecy from the book of Daniel.One such example is about the rising of man Antichrist :"Therefore when you see the "abomination of desolation' spoken of by Daniel the prophet,standing in the holy place"(whoever reads,let him understand!)"(Matt 24:15)

I feel safe to follow Christ's tradition to keep on quoting the Prophet Daniel's book of prophecy to refer many End time events.There is a certainty of this seven years "Tribulation"event.As we all know,we are now living in the 'Church Age' era prior to the rapture event and the coming seven years Tribulation period.In the book of Revelation,the seven churches in Asia (Revelation 2-3) represent and symbolizes the 'Church Age' era.Humanly speaking,the world we are living in today are the era of a"mix social,economic and political turbulent'of governments and societies.The governments of today are exactly as what God has revealed to Daniel as the' toes' kingdoms that were partly of iron and clay which being mingled but still will not adhere to one another.(Daniel2:4244).Capitalism,feudalism,Communism,dictatorship,monarchy,democratic and autocratic governments are example of such entities.They all govern with a mixture of different ideologies.

It is my belief that the seven years of Tribulation period will occur after the rapture of the Church and after the Antichrist have sign a peace treaty with the nation of Israel.Daniel,seeing the vision spoke prophetically of it by saying "Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week.But in the middle of the week He shall bring to an end to sacrifice and offering.."
(Daniel 9:27a).Its necessary for every bible prophecy student to understand Daniel's prophecy in Daniel 9:24-27 in order to understand the purpose and time of the Tribulation.Throughout the scripture,the Tribulation is referred to by other names such as:

i.The "Day of the Lord (Isaiah 2:12;13:6-9;Joel 1:15,2:1-31;1 Thessalonians 5:2),

ii.'Trouble or tribulation' (Deuteronomy 4:30;Zephaniah 1:1).

iii.Jesus even mentioned it and call it "The Great Tribulation"which refers to the more intense second half of the seven -year period(Matthew 24:21),'

iv.'Time or day of trouble' (Daniel 12:1,Zephaniah 1:15)

v.'Time of Jacob's trouble' (Jeremiah 30:7)

THE FIRST THREE AND THE HALF YEARS TRIBULATION PERIOD
We now know that according to the scripture,the Antichrist will signu a seven years peace treaty with the nation of Israel,but then he will break that treaty just after the first quarter (three an a half years).You must understand in this scenario that the pre-Tribulation saints of God have been raptured to heaven and what is left are the carnal christians and unconverted Jews.But then a new wave of a great last days outpouring of the Holy Spirit again will causes many new breed of tribulation saints to arise and many Jews will come to know Jesus Christ as their Messiah.Joel has prophesied such great Holy Spirit's outpouring in the last days and was later confirmed by the apostle Peter .(Joel 2:28-32.Acts 2:17-21).

The prophet Joel prophesied that after the great outpouring of the Holy Spirit,God said "I will show wonders in heaven above,And signs in the earth beneath:Blood and fire and vapor of smoke,The sun shall be turned into darkness,And the moon into blood,Before the coming of the great and awesome day of the Lord"(Acts 2:19-20).It is my belief that during this first quarter of the tribulation that the four horsemen of the Apocalypse (four seal)will be release a part of God's discipline of Israel and His judgement wrath upon the unbelieving world (Rev 6:1-7).Many tribulation saints will be heavily prosecuted and be killed by the vast armies and followers of the Antichrist (Rev 6:9-11). Earthquakes as well as catasthropic events in the solar system will occur when God's six seal is open that bring great fear to the unbelievers(Rev 6:12-17).

Then the seven trumpets judgement began to unveil in the last quarter of there the three and a half year tribulation.(Rev 8:1-13,9:21).Seven great plagues began to fall upon the kingdom of the Antichrist such as hail and fire that burn a third of trees and green grass,sea become poison like blood that kills a third of sea creatures,water contamination,day became dark,global sickness or diseases outbreak and death plague that kill a third of mankind.However,the Bible said "But the rest of mankind,who were not killed by these plagues,did not repent of the work's of their hands,that they should not worship demons,and idols of gold,silver,brass,
stone, and wood,which can neither see nor hear nor walk"(Rev 9:20-21)

When the Antichrist break the peace treaty and bring about the existent of his own religion,he will take over God's temple in Jerusalem and demand to be known as divine.This is where he will bring the "abomination of desolation"inside the temple,an image of himself and demand to be worship (Matt 24:15).Paul foresaw this event wrote "...the man of sin is revealed,the son of perdition,who opposes and exalts himself above all that us called God or that is worshiped,so that he sits as God in the temple of God,showing himself that he is God"(2 Thess 2:3-4).The mark of the best "666"the Antichrist's number will be enforce and be implimented.This events ushers God to release the last seven final plagues .

THE LAST THREE AND HALF YEARS GREAT TRIBULATION
The last three and a half years of Antichrist reign is also called the Great Tribulation,because this is where the last seven plagues of God called the "Seven Bowl of Judgments"will be pour out to earth(Rev 16:1-21).This last seven plagues are so great because God judgement's wrath was poured out to the earth to punish the Antichrist and all his evil followers over all such wickedness and sins that they ever done.The outbreak of sores,the sea became poison which all sea living creatures died,the sudden great heat from the sun and darkness fall upon Antichrist's kingdom have even further ignite all men to blasphemed the name of God instead of repentance(Rev 16:9).

Then God poured out the seven Bowl of judgement,and the greatest earthquakes that was never known to men occurred.Many great cities just fall apart, flattening every known big continental islands or mountains on the earth.Great hail fell upon men but yet these plagues did not make men repent or turn to God,rather they blamed and blasphemed God because of such great plagues (Rev 16:21).With the last great plague,which is the last seven bowl of judgement being poured out, the seven years tribulation era are completed.At this point of time,the Antichrist with the aid of his false prophet has organized an ultimate battle with the Lord,because they saw Him coming on the clouds in heaven and on the way down to earth to rule as King with his great saints(Matthew 24:30).Thus we will see this ultimate battle being won by the Lord and the establishment of his earthly kingdom that usher peace and prosperity for a thousand years.I will again share this great revelation in my my next posting.Haleluya.Immanuel and Maranatha!